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PADS specific purpose is to facilitate communication between scientists and others who are interested in primitive and aboriginal dogs and to promote the preservation and scientific investigation of primitive and aboriginal dog stock throughout the world. Many of these populations have already disappeared. Most of those remaining are sliding into extinction due to genetic swapping from modern domestic dogs and habitat destruction. The few that remain should be conserved. They may provide valuable genetic reserves and could serve as uniquely interesting resources for scientific study concerning the origin and behavior of the earliest domestic dogs, adaptation, evolution and the migrations of early man. Efforts to develop individual breed registries and controlled captive genetic lines of these animals will be encouraged. An explanation appended below defines the terms aboriginal and primitive as used by PADS.



PADS will provide a clearing-house for information on these unique natural dogs. Owners and breeders can volunteer to participate in behavioral and other research projects, and may organize regional gatherings. Professional members can share their primitive/aboriginal dog and related canid research interest with a sympathetic audience, and solicit cooperative effort

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Postby Coban » Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:21 pm

This topic is for general questions and comments about Primitive Aboriginal Dog Society International....
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Re: Comment on or ask questions about PADS

Postby Coban » Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:30 pm

I have a question, are the ancient dogs of Turkey, like the Kangal considered aboriginal breeds?
And as for other livestock guardian dogs, what is their aboriginal background... meaning where did they start and from what breed did they begin...

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Postby ufimych » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:53 pm

Coban wrote:I have a question, are the ancient dogs of Turkey, like the Kangal considered aboriginal breeds?
And as for other livestock guardian dogs, what is their aboriginal background... meaning where did they start and from what breed did they begin...

Thank you,
Kate Howe

Kate, some information about this is scattered in articles published in our Journal of PADS Internatinal. Actually all livestock protection type dogs are very old. Possibly DNA testing in combination with fossil records would help. One thing is clear, they all are closely associated with pastoral culture stretching geographically from Portugal and North Afriva eastward through Mediterranean countries, Middle East into Central Asia and all the way to Mongolia and Tibet. I would speculate that originally they came out of some country in the east, possibly from Central Asia. They all are remarkably similar aboriginal type dogs. Livestock protection dogs of Anatolia are a conglomerat of several types of livestok protection dogs somehwat differentiated geographically, but never "purebred" in modern meaning of the term. This is because genetic exchange is always at work. Some of them became selectively isolated and designated as purebreds, but still many more live the traditional way of life in rural parts of Turkey. Perhaps, Isik Guvener would tell us more. He is a dog user and he prepared a book about shepherd dogs of Anatolia, which should be published in one or two years from now.
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Postby guardiandogz » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:10 pm

OK I have a question not sure either if this is right place for it, but I've been reading about kangals, some people claim they must come from Sivas area to be real kangals. What does anyone think about this?
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Postby ufimych » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:44 am

Isik Guvener sent me to this website: http://www.yorukanatolian.com/
Of course, different types of dogs of Turkey are time bound and place bound. They have Caucsian Mountain Dogs in Caucasian parts of Turkey. However, they have never been differentiated like purebreds are categorized today. Their gene pools have remained open. This is the most important difference from standardized purebreds of our time.
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Re: Comment on or ask questions about PADS

Postby Coban » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:29 pm

Ufimych....
Great reading... I will be days at this. Just the bit I read this evening has given me a new outlook on the Turkish shepherding dogs.
This section alone will open eyes of many people in regard to "purebred' dogs or the lack of them.
http://www.yorukanatolian.com/The-Anatolian-Book.php

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Postby ufimych » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:11 pm

Kate, thank you for kind words. Purebred dogs are a collection of inbred strains selected for the appearance and trotting in front of judges. Aboriginal dogs are real dogs created by people and Mother Nature, starting from very, very old time. In countries of their origin they are true populations in genetical and zoological meaning of the word. I noticed number of downloaded journals is growing. After all, this is what we were working for.
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Re: Comment on or ask questions about PADS

Postby shepherd » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:05 pm

Much knowledge is here in these journals, very interesting all the different dogs, people, customs and uniqness of some of the different information, thank you so much for making them available for the readers of this forum. Thank You.
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Postby guardiandogz » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:10 pm

ufimych thanks for your reply and most informative link page.....
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Postby lgdnevada » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:33 am

Really enjoying the photos and the articles. The hoods on the falcons are amazing. And those desert dogs - so thin, but so fit. Thanks for posting, I hope others take the time to read these too.
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